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Tear-off surprises

What do roofers find during a roof tear-off?

Most tear-offs turn up something hidden. The usual finds are soft or rotted deck boards, a second layer of old roofing, light deck nailing, and flashing or vents that cannot be reused. Florida's code requires damaged deck material to be repaired and weak nailing to be fixed before the new roof goes on.

The old roof comes off, and for the first time anyone can see the wood under it. Here is what roofers usually find, what Florida's rules say about it, and how to keep extra work from turning into an argument.

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The basics

What is a roof tear-off, and what do roofers find?

A tear-off is removing the old roofing down to the wood deck. It is the first time anyone can see the whole deck.

When a roofer replaces a roof, the old covering comes off first. That is the tear-off. The covering is the shingles, tile or metal, plus the underlayment, the layer under them. What is left is the roof deck, the wood sheets (usually plywood) nailed to the rafters or trusses. The new roof is built on top of that deck.

Until the old roof is off, the deck is mostly hidden. A roofer can check the attic, look at the roof from above, and fly a drone over a tile roof, which Josh at Coastline usually does first. Those checks catch a lot. They do not catch everything. The rest shows up during the tear-off.

Florida's building code treats the deck as part of the job. The Florida Building Code, Existing Building, defines roof replacement as removing the old covering and repairing any damaged substrate. Substrate means the surface under the roof covering, which in most homes is the deck. That definition is quoted in a February 2022 article by Mike Silvers, technical director of the Florida Roofing and Sheet Metal Contractors Association (FRSA).

This page lists the common things roofers find, what the code says about each, and what to ask so you are not caught off guard. We do not quote prices here. For what a roof price should include, see roof cost per square.

Want to know what is under your roof before the tear-off?

Coastline does roof replacement and repair on shingle, tile, metal and low-slope roofs. We inspect and send a written photo report, so you see what we see. Coastline Roofing works all over Florida (license CCC1331076).

Call (941) 896-7793 or text your town and a photo.

What shows up

What are the most common tear-off surprises?

Six things, in roughly the order roofers run into them.

Soft or rotted deck boards

Water that got past the old roof can leave wood dark, soft or crumbly. Rotted sheathing gets replaced, as the Journal of Light Construction notes in its tile reroofing article. Our guide to roof deck damage after a hurricane shows what bad plywood looks like.

A second layer of old roofing

Some homes already have two layers of shingles. Florida's code says all existing layers must come off when there are two or more applications of roof covering. See our guide on roofing over existing shingles.

Deck nailing that is too light

The code lists what the deck nailing must be when an old roof comes off: 8d nails, at least 0.113 inch across and 2 1/4 inches long, spaced 6 inches apart on plywood panels. Section 553.844 of the Florida Statutes says a roof replacement must include this deck work.

Old tile or shake under the surface

Where the existing covering is wood shake, slate, clay or cement tile, the code requires the old covering to come off before a new one goes on. A new covering cannot go over it.

Gaps and uneven boards

Atlas Roofing's instructions say the deck must be clean, bare, flat and gap free, with gaps under 1/4 inch. Old plank decks with wide gaps may not meet that.

Flashings and vents that cannot be reused

Old flashing, vents and pipe boots that are rusted, damaged or worn out have to be replaced, not reinstalled. Flashing is the thin metal or membrane that seals the roof where it meets a wall, pipe or chimney. See flashing failure for the signs.

Who decides

What does the code say a roofer must do?

The code sets the floor. Rot gets repaired, weak nailing gets fixed, and certain old roofs must come off completely.

Florida's rules for re-roofing sit in two places: the Florida Building Code and Section 553.844 of the Florida Statutes. Together they say a few plain things.

  • Recover versus replace. Section R908.3 of the Florida Building Code, Residential, says new roof coverings cannot go on until all existing layers are removed when the old roof is water-soaked or deteriorated, is wood shake, slate, clay or cement tile, has two or more layers, has unrepaired blisters, or cannot meet the securement rules for the new roof.
  • Deck nailing. Section R908.7 lists the deck nailing for a roof that is removed and replaced: 8d nails, 0.113 inch across, at least 2 1/4 inches long, with two nails in each framing member for plank decks and 6 inches on center for panel sheathing.
  • Secondary water barrier. Section 553.844 says a roof replacement on a site-built single-family home must include a secondary water barrier and the deck attachment fixes. A secondary water barrier is a waterproof layer that backs up the main roof covering.
  • Existing materials. Section R908.5 lets existing slate, clay or cement tile be reinstalled, but damaged, cracked or broken tile cannot be reused. Flashings, edgings, outlets and vents that are rusted, damaged or deteriorated must be replaced.

The Florida Building Code is updated on a cycle, and the code edition that applies is the one in force when your permit is issued. The section numbers above come from a Florida Home Builders Association course on the residential code and from the FRSA article. Your county building department has the final say on how they apply to your house.

Section 553.844(5) has a carve-out. If a roof was built, repaired or replaced under the 2007 code or later and 25 percent or more of it is repaired, replaced or recovered, only that portion has to meet the current code. Our guide to Florida's 25 percent roof rule explains that in more depth.

What happens next

What happens when the crew finds rot?

The crew should stop, show you, fix it to code, and only then dry in the roof.

A rotted spot is not a reason to panic. It is a normal part of the work. What matters is how the roofer handles it.

  1. Find and mark the bad boards

    A crew typically walks the deck, looking and pressing for soft spots, dark stains and loose boards. Bad sheets get marked.

  2. Take photos

    Ask for photos of each problem before it is covered. They are your record of what was found and what was fixed. Coastline's inspections come with a written photo report, so you are used to seeing proof.

  3. Replace the sheets

    Damaged deck pieces are cut out and replaced with new sheathing nailed to the code spacing. On tile roofs, the FRSA and Tile Roofing Industry Alliance manual says sheathing must be at least 15/32 inch thick plywood or nominal 1 inch lumber, or another approved deck material.

  4. Nail the old deck to current code

    Where the old nailing is light, the crew adds fasteners to meet the Florida Building Code's deck nailing section.

  5. Dry in the same day

    Once the deck is sound, the underlayment goes on. See what if it rains during roof replacement for how crews protect a bare deck.

Mobile homes are a special case. The trusses (the triangle frames that hold the roof up) are thin, so Josh checks the wiring first. He tears recovers off to the decking and repairs the decking. See our mobile home roofing page.

Extra work

How do you handle extra decking work without a fight?

Settle the question before the job starts. Ask how extra deck repair is priced and approved, and get it in writing.

Everyone hears the story about the roof that came in on budget until the crew found rot. The best protection is a clear line in the contract. Ask your roofer:

  • Is any deck repair included, and how much?
  • What is the price to replace a sheet of deck if more is needed?
  • Will you show me photos and get my yes before extra work is done?
  • Will the final invoice list the extra boards that were replaced?

A roofer cannot know the exact amount of rotted deck until the old roof is off. A good estimate says so and spells out how extra is handled. If one bid says nothing about it, you may be comparing two different jobs. Our guide on how to compare two roof quotes shows how to line up the fine print.

A word on terms: we are not quoting deck repair prices here because they vary by job, the cost of lumber and how much rot there is. Our roof cost per square guide explains what is normally inside a roof price.

Before the tear-off

Can you spot problems before the tear-off?

Some, not all. An attic check and a good inspection cut the odds of a surprise but cannot remove them.

There are signs of deck trouble you can see from inside the house. Water stains on the ceiling or on the underside of the deck, a sagging roof line, and a musty smell in the attic all point to wet wood. Our guides on how to check the attic for a roof leak, sagging roofs and ceiling water stains go step by step.

An inspection by a licensed roofer adds a look at the outside. On tile roofs, Josh usually flies a drone over the roof first. The result is a written photo report. It shows what the roof looks like before work starts, so you can compare it to what is found at tear-off.

If you are weighing a replacement against a repair, read signs you need a new roof, not a repair and what to expect during a roof replacement. Our roof replacement page covers the roof types Coastline replaces. Tear-off dust and shaking are normal too. The Journal of Light Construction notes that crews warn owners about shaking and dust, so take pictures off the walls and cover attic items.

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FAQ

More questions

Does every tear-off find rotted decking?

No. Some decks come up clean, and some have a few bad sheets. A roofer cannot know for sure until the old covering is off. That is why a good estimate says how extra deck work is priced and approved, rather than leaving it out and hoping nothing turns up.

Can a roofer just put new shingles over the old ones?

Sometimes, but the Florida Building Code says the old layers must come off if the roof is water-soaked or deteriorated, has two or more layers, has unrepaired blisters, or has old shake, slate, clay or cement tile. Even when a recover is allowed, it does not let a roofer see or fix the deck.

What if the tear-off finds a second layer of roofing?

It comes off. The Florida Building Code requires all existing layers to be removed when a roof has two or more applications of roof covering. The crew strips down to the plywood or boards and starts from there. That also lets the roofer see the deck, check it and repair it before the new roof goes on.

Will the tear-off shake things loose inside my house?

It can. The Journal of Light Construction notes that crews warn owners about shaking and dust during tear-off on tile roofs. Take pictures and mirrors off exterior walls, cover items in the attic, and move cars from the driveway on tear-off days.

Can old tile be reused on the new roof?

Sometimes. Section R908.5 of the Florida Building Code, Residential, lets existing slate, clay or cement tile be reinstalled, but damaged, cracked or broken tile cannot be reinstalled. How much of your tile is still good is a judgment call that depends on the age and condition of the roof.

Want to see your roof's condition before the work starts?

Coastline Roofing can inspect your roof and send you a written photo report with a straight answer on what it needs. Tell us your town and what you are seeing.

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